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REPLY: (by AppleBay) May 28 2015 4:54pm
I'm not too sure if the previous posts regarding this player's LGBTQ profile were deleted or if I am just blind *laughing out loud!* Last time Orb asked her to remove and she did, however I checked back today and it was back. I asked her to remove it however I received no reply from Halcyon (but did get a word from a bud of hers presumably) so I went ahead and removed the profile
REPLY: (by AppleBay) May 28 2015 5:37pm
Butterfinger (I presume Hal's friend here) was the one who PM'd me. They had that they were g ay (apologies for the filter avoiding here!) in their profile. After a *long* discussion prior explaining why preferences/orientation weren't allowed I asked them to remove it. She did, said she had a girlfriend and directed players to look at the gender listed and make the connection for themselves. I explained that she was more than welcome to just state she had a girlfriend - however pointing out the connection wouldn't be allowed as we don't need to know orientation.

She changed it to
+so since i am not allowed to discuss a certain aspect of my life on this profile, i will simply let you know that i have a girlfriend
+i am female

Is this okay? My buttons have been thoroughly pushed throughout all this *laughing out loud!* Profiles state gender - is she okay to state she is Female? If not I shall PM her another day :) I need a coffee.... or 12.
REPLY: (by DesertPaint) May 28 2015 6:36pm
Thanks. It sounds like I shall get an ear full in support mail. *laughing out loud!*

That's fine. I can give an ear fully back. (Politely of course.)

We do not need to know if she has a girlfriend, boyfriend or not. We do not allow dating or date topics on this kids game.

*sigh* Get a life kids. >.<
REPLY: (by DesertPaint) May 28 2015 7:07pm
Well, got a nifty mail by yet another person, but not about the above topic. :P

Kid, it's not plagiarism if someone copies your profile. Please get a life... *laughing out loud!*
REPLY: (by AppleBay) May 29 2015 7:29am
Oh goodness *laughing out loud!* But she used the same words as I did DP!It's going to be a fun Summer :p

In regards to profiles then, are they not allowed to state they have a girlfriend/boyfriend? If not then whoops that is my bad - I was referencing 'What is and isn't allowed in profiles' and told Butter that having a quick line saying you have a gf/bf/spouse is okay as long as it doesn't go into detail! *laughing out loud!*
She was trying to worm her way around it.
I believe Hal has posted something along the lines of 'supports anyone's love whether boy/girl/' in their profile where LGBTQ once was - I'll have to check next time I see it. Would that be ok to keep?

They're being stubborn it seems! *laughing out loud!*

Thanks for the help :)
REPLY: (by DesertPaint) May 29 2015 1:01pm
Basically yes but... We did allow that for a while, and though we are trying to be somewhat more lenient these days, doing so in this area isn't working very well. It rather depends on how it's actually worded. With the current state of competency by kids that wording is not so good. Nor do they understand the difference. In this area it's up to the mod to determine if it's ok or not really.

I'm seeing a ton of dating. Players come on, state their preference in their profile and head off to pm players for dates. Others state they have a girlfriend or boyfriend, which instead of it being understood that the person is not available due to... It's being taken as a date request. So again, pretty much depends on how it's worded.

While we (game) seek tolerance, understanding and acceptance for all, we do have young children from all over the world. Not all countries are tolerant. Not all parents wish their young child exposed to all content.

Since such topics have nothing to do with the game, I don't see a need to post them on the game. We are a child's/family quest based horse game that doesn't allow breeding. Thus no adult content.

Dating is adult content. Gender preferences are adult content. The pixel horses on this game don't care. Nor do we, nor should others on this game. So it's not something that needs to be discussed.

We do allow mods or players to state something like: PlayerX is my husband/wife. That is to hopefully prevent being hit on so much by players. However, even that these days will probably have the opposite effect. Times have changed.

We are a bit more lenient on HI1 as basically that game is for ages 12 and up. HI1 however is 8 and up and we do have some younger children who play, usually with their parents.

Hal's current content is adult and not appropriate. We don't do player love. Period. We do not discuss gender preference or lack thereof on this game.

Zero content for such topics as gender preferences, LGBTQ or anything else adult. Many parents are totally not happy about their young children asking what that is. We are not a chat room, nor a public chat facility. We are a kids game for all ages. Content needs to remain child friendly/appropriate. Adult content has no place on this game.
REPLY: (by OrbWeaver) May 30 2015 8:55am
I kind of thought HalcyonHeart might put that back in her profile once there was no mod on. *sigh*

Does she realize that if we DID allow her to have that, we would also have to allow people to say if they DIDN'T support such topics? And then we'd have fights CONSTANTLY because one profile says they support, and another doesn't...this is not the place for any of that.
REPLY: (by Elanor) May 30 2015 11:45am
So she (Halycon) currently has on:

* Supports any and everyone in their choices of who they love, boys, girls, it's all the same.

I noticed Apple asked you if it was ok, and you said basically yes, DP, but I'm confused as to what you were saying yes over. *laughing out loud!*! Is she ok to have that on her profile, or should we be asking her to remove it? Sorry! Thanks. :)
REPLY: (by DesertPaint) May 30 2015 12:06pm
That too needs to go Elanor. That entire topic is a no no regardless of how it's mentioned.

A player may state:

I have a girlfriend.

I have a boyfriend.

I am married.

That's it. Nothing more. It's preferred they leave that off as well since it has nothing to do with the game and isn't any other person's business. But I believe a while back that Miranda said it was ok to have that.

However, when they deviate from that statement, then it heads into content that isn't allowed.

So, supporting others in something isn't appropriate for this game. Saying: I have a girlfriend and I'm a girl is out. They are within that statement advertising a gender preference. We have no need to know that.

In Psychology I was taught that someone who felt the constant need to tell everyone about something personal or convert/convince others intensely was trying to actually convince themselves.

This is not a place to convince anyone regarding adult content or personal preferences.

If you like who you are regardless of what that is, fantastic! Please do not cram whatever it is down my throat.

If you don't like who you are, work on it yourself or seek off game help. Again, please do not cram it down my throat.

There are some games where it's fine. This isn't one of those.
REPLY: (by OrbWeaver) May 30 2015 6:40pm
Now it just says: "A C C E P T A N C E Save Our Profiles" with "acceptance" in rainbow colors. I'm leaving it, since you'd really have to stretch to make an inference, in my opinion, and it would go over most kids' heads anyway.
REPLY: (by OrbWeaver) May 30 2015 6:48pm
OY. Just had this conversation:

Stray: In EDR, I'm pretty sure its still there, but basically another Mod asked a player to remove the fast that they were, uhm, swinging for the same team, from their profile.
OrbWeaver>Stray: And what is your question?
Stray: And she got all huffy and now her and a few other of her buds are scribbling rainbows in every art room on the game basically petitioning for HI to remove that rule about dating and gener preference.
Stray: So more of like, is something like that against the rules or?
OrbWeaver>Stray: Rainbows in and of themselves are fairly innocent. I like rainbows! But I'll check it out and see if any rule-breaking is going on.
OrbWeaver>Stray: as for the petitioning, that is unlikely to work. This is a children's game and the rule about dating and gender preferences will stay.
Stray: Oh it's not that but the writing is something like top oppressing profiles because of those rules. xD
OrbWeaver>Stray: I'll check it out and put the heads' up otu for the other mods. Thanks. :)
REPLY: (by OrbWeaver) May 30 2015 7:02pm
Further OY:
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: This is not the place to be on a soapbox about gender, equality, dating, etc...this is a children's game and as such these topics are not allowed. These are topics best left to parents to teach their children.
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: Or, as you so astutely noted in your profile, to learn in school. This is not school. This is not an individual's home. This is a public game geared at children.
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: So any rants about gender, equality, dating, etc...need to stay off of this game.
Butterfinger: you do realize no one on here is a child right
Butterfinger: also you are the one who just ranted at me
BreezyBabeKay: butterfinger drew one in the bird one too cleared it
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: That is not the point. This is stil a game aimed at children,.
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: and you have chosen to play it, and you agreed to follow the rules of the game when you joined.
Butterfinger: yeah ok i understand that...but nothing is explicitly stated. also, my pofile passed the "inspection" of another mod yesterday
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: Please delete the portions of your profile that are against the rules. I realize that many work hard to make nice profiles. I do not have the capablity of only deleting portions of profiles.
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: so it is best if you do it yourself so you don't lose your entire profile.
Butterfinger: can you outline those portions for me please?
Butterfinger: you can just copy and paste :)
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: no, I can only remove. I cannot otherwise alter your profile.
Butterfinger: can you click the question mark beside my username so that you can see my profile, and then copy and paste the "offensive" portions into this pm so i know what to remove? thanks!!!!
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: you may not say "I have a girlfriend and I am a girl." You can say "I have a gilfriend" but that is it. Per DesertPaint and Miranda.
OrbWeaver>Butterfinger: I will give you five minutes. As I said, I'd rather not have to remove your profile since I cannot remove portions, I can only delete the whole.
REPLY: (by OrbWeaver) May 30 2015 7:06pm
Instead of continuing to copy/paste (she continues to try and argue with me) I've just filed an abuse report. Sorry DP, good luck. :/
REPLY: (by OrbWeaver) May 30 2015 7:11pm
And I did delete Butterfinger's profile, since it stated she was a girl had had a girlfriend. So just keep an eye on Butterfinger and Hal's profiles, and on the art rooms. Sorry for the spam.
REPLY: (by OrbWeaver) May 30 2015 7:14pm
Augh, sorry again. Now they have the following in their profiles. Okay or no?

A C C E P T A N C EACCEPTANCE is not an adult topic... * * * * * * ACCEPTANCE is something they teach inschool...Save Our Profiles visit the art rooms
REPLY: (by OrbWeaver) May 30 2015 7:24pm
And Butterfingers just now had "HI staff are homophobic, PM me" I deleted it.

There was also thinly-veiled SJW stuff going on in global, which I did not feed into, but merely filed abuse reports on those involved.

Someone help, I'm the only mod on right now. :(
REPLY: (by DesertPaint) May 30 2015 9:19pm
Taken care of. :)
REPLY: (by OrbWeaver) May 31 2015 9:01am
*laughing out loud!* thanks DP. I had hoped my flailing would not go unnoticed. XD

Just keep an eye on the art rooms, everyone. HalcyonHeart is continuing the silliness, but on a much more low-key level than Butterfingers had been.
REPLY: (by Elanor) May 31 2015 9:47am
CosmicBee has also now put A C C E P T A N C E in rainbow colours on the top of her profile. Is this ok? Just checking :D
REPLY: (by Elanor) May 31 2015 11:47am
I can't believe that some players are trying to stir this topic up again in global this evening and when I stopped it (merely by saying "er guys, this subect already isn't appropriate for this game, lets move on thanks") I got a PM from DallyBear telling me that I had been too snappy, children don't play this game anymore (er how would they know since ages aren't shared), and admin should apparently introduce an 18+ server just so these discussions can go on......Unbelievable!!
REPLY: (by DesertPaint) May 31 2015 12:13pm
Unless CosmicBee makes any other mention of that content, it's ok. But, if she starts telling others to look at the profile or makes direct references to it, then it will need to go.

And while all of this was happening last night an 8 and a 9 yr. old joined the game. So yes, we do have young kids joining and playing. Many are pulled off by irate parents due to the content on the servers, I receive mail from those irate parents from time to time.

If only US players were here, it won't be quite so bad as yes, such content is introduced into schools at second grade, around 8 yrs. But other countries also play and for some of those countries this content at that young age is not allowed.

So if we allow it, then basically we are limiting our player base to only US and basically 12 and over as many parents home school their kids in the US or send them to private school.

It's up to the parents to decide what their child is and is not introduced to and at what age. It's not up to the players of this game.
REPLY: (by Elanor) May 31 2015 12:19pm
*laughing out loud!*, yep thats basically what I told her, DP. Also just as a heads up to everyone, Halycon now has in her profile 'Acceptance' but then is also telling everyone to go visit the art rooms and make people accept change or something of the sort. I went to PM her about it and she logged out before I could do so. As the content shes uploading into the Art room isn't appropriate I'm taking it this should be removed? Anyway, I'm heading off now so if you guys could also keep an eye out if she comes back on:)
REPLY: (by DesertPaint) May 31 2015 12:50pm
Please remove the art and either file an abuse report regarding it or send a screen shot to support and we can also give violations for that.

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